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#297, 8 July 2009

Aspirations for a world free of nuclear weapons- German Perspectives

Speaker: Amb Peter Kalus Gottwald
Commissioner of the Federal Government for Arms Control and Disarmament, Germany.’

This is a critical year for arms control and disarmament, leading up to the RevCon (Review Conference) in May, 2010 in New York. It is important to think about what needs to be done to maintain nuclear stability. The world must move towards nuclear disarmament but there are interests and concerns. President Obama, in his Prague speech, stated that nuclear disarmament might not be achieved in his lifetime but attempts should be made to move in that direction. Scott Sagan for example has recently written  paper on No First Use and this my be an interesting idea to adopt internationally, and the IPCS will be hosting him on August 6, 2009 t the IIC Annex. The Nuclear Security Programme has been one of the most important initiatives at the IPCS and the discussion with Amb Peter Gottwald is a great opportunity to discuss some very pertinent issues.

Ambassador Peter Klaus Gottwald:

This is an interesting and opportune moment for the nuclear disarmament debate. The recently concluded summit in Moscow reflected opportunities but also presented the difficulties in achieving this goal. At this point what is required is “moderate optimism.” Arms control is a lengthy process but this year’s PrepCom (Preparatory Committee) was much better than expected, and the upcoming RevCon provide reasons for optimism.

India has always been very active in promoting nuclear disarmament. Nuclear cooperation must be viewed not only from the security side but also from the perspective of the NPT (Non Proliferation Treaty) and one of its three pillars, that is, using nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. There is reason to be optimistic, mainly because of President Obama and the speech that he delivered in Prague, and his commitment to “Global Zero.” Even though, this vision is not completely new and was envisioned by India’s late Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi in 1988; Obama’s support definitely gives it a stronger push.

From a German perspective, a nuclear world was one where Germany saw itself as the target. This strengthened Germany’s commitment to peaceful uses of nuclear energy. Germany participated in the Gareth Evans Commission meeting in 2008, which was an attempt to explore relationships among the NPT and the non-NPT members and it also stressed the importance of developing a new arms control treaty. One area where Germany is committed is the future of tactical nuclear weapons, something where a new perspective is warranted.  A nuclear free world is no longer an unattainable dream; the world is at a juncture where a world free of nuclear weapons seems like a rational choice. The START treaty will be concluded by the end of this year (December 2009) and the US-Russia Summit reflected a commitment to the importance of conceiving a follow up agreement before the end of this year.

Obama presented a positive vision at Prague and hopefully his vision will be reflected in the Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) due to be out later this year. It is helpful to recognize that there is a lot of internal debate ongoing in Washington on the CTBT (Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty) and not everybody is applauding Obama. Germany, however, views the CTBT as a step in the right direction and it is a firm supporter of US efforts.

The FMCT (Fissile Material Cut off Treaty) is another positive development as fissile material control is necessary to achieve global zero. The removal of Bush administration’s objections against the verifications of the FMCT makes it possible to come back to it. It is important, however, to not be too ambitious, too early. The rational outlook towards the global zero debate stems from the very real dangers of nuclear weapons. Earlier, nuclear weapons were believed to create stability through deterrence between the two blocs but with the end of the Cold War, the military usefulness of nuclear weapons has diminished significantly.

Additionally, there is the danger of nuclear weapons falling into wrong hands, like failed states, irresponsible states, and terrorist elements and this threat creates incentive to work towards non-proliferation. Parts of this approach are the recent attempts to engage with Iran and this is extremely important because Iran’s holding of nuclear weapons is not creating stability but is doing just the opposite.

Finally, the fact that nuclear weapons have not been used since Hiroshima and Nagasaki does not mean that they would not be used in the future. Robert McNamara’s passing away recently is a reminder that although nuclear weapons states have been successful in avoiding using these weapons, this is not a safeguard against future use. Finally, the base camp analogy is interesting. Base Camp is not the end; it is just a transitory phase towards global zero.

Discussion
Questions and Comments

If global zero looks like an optimistic scenario and since the dangers of nuclear weapons are real, there is no reason why the great powers cannot set a deadline for the same. Also, the military use of nuclear weapons may have diminished; however, the reduction agreement in the recently concluded Moscow summit does not prove that the two powers think that nuclear weapons are no longer relevant.
NPT/CTBT/FMCT
  • The CTBT and the NPT were designed to push India, willingly or unwillingly, in a certain direction and if any realization towards universal disarmament has to be made, the flaws in these treaties will have to be addressed.
  • As far as the CTBT goes, the position taken in 1996 was when India was not a nuclear power. Today, it may be different, especially after the NSG waiver. It is not an absolute NO as in the case of the NPT. There is an internal debate going on with regards to the CTBT and a decision on the CTBT is more of a political issue than technical. It is therefore, a work in progress. During the CTBT negotiations, it was stated that no explosive tests would be allowed, and India did not like this because it did not have the technology for hydro nuclear tests. On the other hand, the US and China have conducted these tests, so this was perceived as an appeasement towards these two countries. Was there an agreement among the P5 that some states could continue with the tests and some could not?
  • India is committed to the FMCT but is aware of the difficulties in production and verification. India uses fissile material for the generation of power. Should the production of fissile material for the generation of power be cut off?
  • The NPT is more of a NATO alliance and serves Western interests more than the security interests of Asia. India has obvious security concerns, being in a hostile neighbourhood. The two nuclear powers China and the US ignored what was going on in Pakistan. How will they ensure that the same situation does not occur again? If Germany was surrounded by China, Pakistan, and Iran, how would it react?
  • To ask India to sign the NPT is unacceptable. If the NPT members want India to sign on the treaty, they have to recognize India as a partner. The US and Russia decreasing their nuclear warheads is a good step but they should not be fixated on India. If they want to see reduction, they should focus on China. China should also be told to declare how many nuclear weapons they have to avoid any seepage to Pakistan; open deterrence should be encouraged.
  • The lesser the weapons the better it is. But is it better for the US and Russia to have lesser weapons or North Korea and Iran to have lesser weapons? The NPT is status quoist and it is difficult to argue that the world is neatly divided into nuclear and non-nuclear states. Also, scientific development is not taken into account, as that is also divided into haves and have-nots.
US-Russia Summit (Reduction in the number of nuclear weapons)

  • There is a difference in the opinion between the older nuclear powers and countries like India which are arriving on the scene. Even though, there was talk of reducing nuclear weapons in Moscow recently, India is not excited about reduction. India and Pakistan, unlike the US and Russia are adding-on to their nuclear weapons. To stop countries like India and Pakistan that recently arrived on the scene, from acquiring more weapons is not going to be that simple
  • The reduction in the usability of nuclear weapons for military purposes is a hypothetical concept, especially for countries like India who have real security concerns. With regard to Pakistan, India’s concern is primarily about tactical nuclear weapons, because if these get into the wrong hands, they can be highly dangerous as they are easily deliverable. The G-8 and G-5 do not address these concerns, but these are very important for India.

Iran

  • Germany is kinder to Iran because both France and Germany have economic relations with Iran but Iran is very likely on the way to build a bomb and they want to create stability in the region by having a bomb and not by not having one.
  • Elections in Iran are an internal matter. The Chinese have the Uighur issue but the world still talks to them. The world is unnecessarily bothered by the vote count in Iran; this is an academic debate because democracy comes from inside. Germany and France have been too rough on Iran; if any country would say similar things to India, the administration would refuse to engage. Iran is a government and not a regime.
  • Moreover, are there any sectors in Iran that are prepared to revise their thinking on the nuclear issues?

Disarmament and India’s Security Concerns

  • The idea of global zero is definitely virtuous, but it must consider the security concerns of a state that signs on to it. Japan for instance said that it is committed to disarmament but not too soon and not too fast, because they have security concerns with North Korea. Similarly, for India to participate in this vision its security concerns will have to be adequately addressed and verification will have to be strengthened.
  • It is important to view the role of India in the larger picture. India is an unaligned country; it is not non-aligned anymore. It is a growing power and the Indo-US nuclear deal has added to its power and confidence. The role of India has changed dramatically, but the paradox is that it is a reluctant nuclear power. India has always been committed to universal disarmament, but the western powers continued to arm and ignore all the rules that they made and India was completely neglected. The instability in India’s neighbourhood was overlooked; Pakistan had nuclear capability since 1987, even though they did not test.
  • If all the P-5 members disarm, a new criterion for membership for the Security Council will have to be envisioned. If all the members disarm, there will be increasing pressures from India and Japan to be included in the P-5.
  • How can alliances like NATO maintain their pact and yet continue with global disarmament?
  • If Iran states that its security is threatened by Israel, would the West start by disarming Israel?

Responses
  • Germany is not a nuclear state and therefore, it cannot set a deadline but it can definitely advise countries. It is true that not everyone is on board and for this reason, the issue of military doctrine needs to be addressed. India has always supported security guarantees. It has been hard to make every state realize that the military use of nuclear weapons is diminishing, but since so many states are going nuclear, this threat can only be reduced by giving up nuclear weapons. Also, in the past, every state wanted to possess nuclear weapons, but that mindset is changing now.

NPT/CTBT/FMCT


  • The NPT has its flaws, but the international climate is changing, wherein states want to see less proliferation. If India would sign the NPT, it would help to rid the NPT of its flaws. It is easier, however, to cooperate on FMCT, so that area should be fully explored.
  • India has some concerns with the CTBT, so it is imperative to find common ground to proceed. Like India’s former PM, Rajiv Gandhi said, a way must be developed to move from contention to cooperation. There are also inherent flaws in the NPT like it does not address the issue of enrichment and reprocessing and this omission has led to problems like Iran. There have been some positive moves as well, like the issue of Multilateralization of the fuel cycle and fuel banks, which acts like an insurance policy. It might be possible to realize this universally one day. India does have legitimate concerns with the status quo approach of the NPT, but it is important to engage on issues that are less contentious like the FMCT and Global Zero. The NPT might hinder scientific development, but on the flip side, it controls proliferation. For example, if Iran wants scientific technology, there will be a hesitation to provide it with the same. At the end of the day, things are not always black and white, there is a huge grey area and how countries are perceived becomes very important.

US-Russia Summit (Reduction in the number of nuclear weapons)

  • It is true that the reduction in number of nuclear weapons is not going to solve everything. There is a suspicion against the intentions of major nuclear countries. It is important, however, to view the change in intentions of the developed countries in a positive manner. There is serious work ongoing between the different countries on reducing nuclear warheads and this should not be underestimated. The situation in the subcontinent is arguably different and the region is not very peaceful and stable. Even in Europe, the belief that conventional arms were under control was shattered by the Georgia episode last year and that has made Europeans more humble. There are now increasing attempts to control conventional arms alongside nuclear weapons and to link both of them. At the end of the day a reduction in nuclear weapons is more of a political decision. Unless, a political solution is reached to the conflicts in the Indian subcontinent, any attempts to control proliferation will be difficult.

Iran


  • Iran is a big quandary. Germany is not kinder to Iran but is aware of the benefits of cooperating with it. Iran has had hostile relations with the US for the last 30 years and now the US is willing to engage with Iran, which is a positive step. Even though, the post election scenario in Iran has been challenging, the US has reiterated its commitment to continue a dialogue with Iran.
  • There are certain elements in Iran that are not opposed to revising their stance on the nuclear issue and they view nuclear weapons as a matter of pride. There are questionable facts though like the clandestine nature of the nuclear programme and the threat of the military use of the weapons. With Iran, perceptions matter. The question is not whether they have nuclear weapons or not but how they can ensure a non-threatening scenario to other countries.

Disarmament and India’s Security Concerns


  • Germany is aware of the security concerns of countries in volatile neighbourhoods so it does not intend to preach. But in a highly globalized world, where all countries are interconnected, every one can benefit from a common approach to these important issues. Arms control is not the panacea to all problems, especially in hostile neighbourhoods, but reduction is still helpful.
  • The issue of perceptions has to be addressed as well for arms control. For instance, Washington does not view any problems in the missile defence in Russia, but Russia views it very differently and considers it a global conspiracy against them. In Washington, the perception towards Russia is reminiscent of the Cold War and thus it is imperative to change these perceptions to continue on the road towards disarmament.

Pia Malhotra
Research Intern

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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